ironsofcanada
6:00 Wed May 4
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"anything other than English Revolution"
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gph
5:59 Wed May 4
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"You said they would never use those terms [English Civil War, English Revolution]..."
No, he didn't.
He said they use other terms.
Which leaves it open as to whether they use these other terms instead of, or as well as, ECW and ER.
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ironsofcanada
5:43 Wed May 4
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ajc123 5:36 Wed May 4
You said they would never use those terms and they did; not really much more discuss is there. Attempted personal insults aside.
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ajc123
5:36 Wed May 4
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Irons you're good at reading titles but not content then. Too many difficult words and ideas.
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ElmParkPikey
4:50 Wed May 4
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We need another one to cleanse the country of rags and paks
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ironsofcanada
3:31 Tue May 3
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ajc123 2:59 Tue May 3
Strange post.
Do you mean the Conrad Russell who wrote
The Causes Of The English Civil War
or the Kevin Sharpe whose Epilogue in his most influential book (that change the way we view Charles I) was
"The Personal Rule and the English Civil War."
Or the JS Morill who wrote a book chapter called
J.S. Morrill and J.D. Walter, 'Order and Disorder in the English Revolution'
or the Kishlansky who Phd. thesis was:
"The Emergence of Radical Politics in the English Revolution"
Christopher Hill is good but so are those guys, you apparently like the former because he is flashier.
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ajc123
2:59 Tue May 3
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"That's why leftie, English, self-hating academics now refer to it as 'The Wars of the Three Kingdoms'."
Hilarious and classic piece of intellectual dysentry from Surface.
In actual fact it's the accolytes of Tory Peer and arch Thatcherite Hugh Thomas like John Morrill, Mark Kishlansky, Kevin Sharpe and Conrad Russell that called it the British Civil Wars or the War of 3 kingdoms or anything other than English Revolution. These are the Revisionists against what they think was a 'leftie' consensus of the English Revolution. Having read them all, Christopher Hill (ex Communist Party) is a 1000 times better writer and historian that these Tory ideologues who's books are big, boring and generally like chewing sawdust (or watching and Allardyce season).
But read them all and make your own mind up, just get the facts right next time.
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joe royal
9:43 Tue May 3
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They thought they was going to spend a few weeks writing songs and smoking dope with "chilled out Rastas"
Instead they came across people that wanted to kill them.
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holyhandgrenade
11:43 Sat Apr 30
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Gloucester Iron 1:58 Thu Apr 28
joe royal 7:52 Thu Apr 28
Safe European Home - One of the greatest Clash tracks in my humble opinion. Only recently read the lyrics and the meaning behind it recently, seems the boys had quite a hairy time in Jamaica
http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/52924/
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stomper
11:56 Fri Apr 29
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How about the English Revolution?
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ironsofcanada
11:50 Fri Apr 29
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:21 Fri Apr 29
Or the British Civil Wars.
They are definitely intertwined but there are beginnings and ends to the different conflict and the ultimate prize was the leadership of England which controlled the other areas to one degree or another.
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normannomates
11:46 Fri Apr 29
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Zero
Doesn't surprise me
Fucking wankers are traitors
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:21 Fri Apr 29
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Swiss. 1:19 Fri Apr 29
That's why leftie, English, self-hating academics now refer to it as 'The Wars of the Three Kingdoms'.
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stomper
6:22 Fri Apr 29
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Sorry.
Recently retired
Going out of my mind with boredom
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stomper
6:20 Fri Apr 29
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gph
One of the best quotes I came across, tho I cant remember its provenance and cant be bothered to look it up
"If a member of the elect dies in the act of sin, while he still go to heaven?"
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Mad Dog
5:57 Fri Apr 29
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I just got back from watching captain America civil war if it helps?
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stomper
5:51 Fri Apr 29
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Saul Bollox 1:15 Fri Apr 29
Close to genius
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ironsofcanada
5:18 Fri Apr 29
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Swiss. 4:44 Fri Apr 29
Diane does a great job in most of what she does in getting beyond the facts and dates and looking at texts that represent less heard stories.
I got involved with her because of her interest in food writing in that time.
Her kids know Shakespeare better than the vast majority of English teachers I have met.
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Swiss.
4:44 Fri Apr 29
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Read the book Diane Purkiss on this which was recommended by someone on here..;thanks.
Yes very nasty atrocities on both sides. Irish Catholics took advantage to slaughter Protestants which never gets mentioned much or remebered
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Spandex Sidney
4:26 Fri Apr 29
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Swiss. 1:19 Fri Apr 29
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Don't why its called the English civil war as it started in Scotland and there was fighting all over Britian and Ireland
Plus it wasn't very civil. By all accounts, they were BEASTLY to each other?
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ironsofcanada
4:22 Fri Apr 29
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gph
Nice link.
Nigel Smith is very knowledgeable guy, I know him in a Book History context. (He has lost a bunch of hair very quickly, since I last met him,)
His book is
A Collection of Ranter Writings: Spiritual Liberty and Sexual Freedom in the English Revolution
He mostly discusses prose.
It is a radio program though.
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